Wacom UD EMR Stylus Compendium


A list of Wacom UD EMR styluses.

Please read ‘What is Wacom UD EMR?’ first if you not familiar with it. EMR does not require batteries or charging management.

Note:

  • Styluses that came in a silo with a device may not be listed. Please see an EMR device compatibility list if you think it is not listed. Here is a partial one.
  • If you see :warning:, please read the warning carefully. Not heeding it may lead to you wasting money or even damaging your device.
  • :vb-warning: means that the information may be inaccurate or incomplete.

Contents

Notes for Editors :writing_hand:
Acknowledgements :tada:

What is Wacom UD EMR?
‘2nd Generation’ - Feel/Feel IT
‘1st Generation’ - Penabled/TabletPC

Tips/Nibs
Cartridges/‘Refills’
Mods

Resources :memo:


:speech_balloon: Community Chat :speech_balloon:

I couldn’t find the old list that I swear was on the old forum in the archive. And @StarllCraft posted some extensive tests of some styli if anyone can find it.

Edit: Found one of them. Thanks @SteveS! - :vb-warning: needs integrating, especially the tip information

Due to the number of styluses (styli?) that have existed, it’s probably best that we keep one thread for each type.

Please feel free to edit this wiki.


:writing_hand: Notes for Editors :writing_hand:

  • Please try to add features and availability if possible.

  • Links need only be to a page showing the product, though official product pages are preferred.

    • Please use the webpage with the most information. This may be a promotional page or a webstore page (official best)*.
    • For older products whatever page is alive is fine.
  • Use :vb-warning: to mark parts that need correcting, updating, or checking.

    • and please act on them if you can
  • Use :warning: to warn readers about major issues they may have.

    *It’s fine to expect readers to find out where to buy things on their own, or make a post asking for help regarding doing so.


:tada: Acknowledgements :tada:

People who have contributed information to this wiki, either directly or indirectly.

@SurfaceProArtist @SteveS @StarllCraft


Wacom UD EMR

A type of digital stylus technology designed by Wacom. EMR stands for ‘electronic magnetic resonance’. You can find out how it works here.

No batteries are required * for the stylus functions, including hovering (pressing buttons near the display)**, though some do have supercapacitors* for additional Bluetooth functionality (currently only a few Samsung S Pens) and there is one that uses batteries for Bluetooth buttons (page turning).

*‘Technically’, all EMR styluses have a supercapacitor to store the charge from the grid in the display assembly. These never need changing. Some pens have an additional one for Bluetooth which does require charging.

**Hovering gesture support is stylus hardware and software dependent. Currently, only Samsung Android devices going back to the original Note support it. :vb-warning: Editor’s note: This needs checking for accuracy. :vb-warning:

These come in styluses as ‘cartridges’, so it is possible to transplant them into other bodies, including the back erasers.

Due to using a magnetic field to detect the stylus, magnets may affect stylus performance. For manufacturing this means more shielding is required. For the end user, this means that some cases with magnets may negatively stylus performance.

The technology can roughly be split into two ‘generations’. The underlying technology is the same, so they are all intercompatible, but ‘1st generation’ styluses will probably not be accurate.

While Wacom’s professional digitisers do also use EMR, they are not intercompatible with Wacom UD EMR. Currently, no hacks to make them so are known.


‘2nd generation’ - Feel/Feel IT

Wacom

Wacom ONE Standard Pen (CP932303B2Z) (Second Gen Wacom One - 2023) - available

  • Two side buttons
  • Interchangeable ‘cases’ (parts/covers of the pen) Front (pen assembly) | Rear
    • Front (includes the pen assembly) - white and grey
    • Rear (just a cover) - lime, wood, and grey
  • No end eraser

Wacom ONE pen (CP91300B2Z) (First Gen Wacom One) - available

  • One side button
  • Sculpted shape

Bamboo Stylus Feel for Galaxy Note & Pen-Enabled Tablets

  • One side button
  • Cap
  • Clip (on cap)
  • Black or white

Bamboo Feel Carbon

  • One side button
  • Cap
  • Clip (on cap)
  • Feels good for writing according to @SurfaceProArtist

Steadtler

There is no difference between the following Noris and Mars models other than their respective colour schemes.

Noris digital - available

  • Sharp nibs (0.7mm)
  • No buttons
  • Long
  • ‘For Chromebook’ variants exist in green, blue, red, and yellow - hard to find

Noris digital jumbo - available

  • Sharp nibs (0.7mm)
  • No buttons
  • Eraser on the end
  • Shorter and fatter

Mars Lumograph digital classic - available

  • Sharp nibs (0.7mm)
  • No buttons
  • Long

Mars Lumograph digital jumbo - available

  • Sharp nibs (0.7mm)
  • No buttons
  • Eraser on the end
  • Shorter and fatter

Noris digital mini - available

  • Sharp nibs (0.7mm)
  • Soft rubber tip (for capacitive touchscreens)
  • No buttons
  • Short
  • Round

LAMY

LAMY AL-star EMR - available

  • One side button (eraser)
  • Cap
  • Clip (on cap)
  • Comes with either PC/EL or POM nibs (can be swapped)
  • Apparently two generations, but the only difference seems to be that the new one has pointier PC/EL nibs
  • The EMR cartridge is like any LAMY rollerball cartridge, so the body and cap can be swapped out for AL-Star rollerball one
    • The fountain pen bodies can just about fit, but the cap is loose - not recommended
    • Available already with different coloured bodies and caps at Supernote/Ratta

LAMY safari twin pen EMR - available

  • No side button
  • No cap
  • Clip (on body)
  • Comes with either PC/EL or POM nibs (can be swapped)
  • Apparently two generations, but the only difference seems to be that the new one has pointier PC/EL nibs
  • Not ‘cartridge’ based - body can’t be swapped
  • Dual EMR and ballpoint pen - twist to change/retract

Kaweco

Kaweco AL Sport Connect EMR Black - available

Pilot

Dr. Grip Digital for Wacom - available

  • No side button
  • Clip
  • Retractable
  • Opinion - Pilot Dr. Grip pens are extremely comfortable.

Mitsubishi/Uni (Uniball)

Hi-uni DIGITAL - available

  • No buttons
  • Sharp tip
  • Very similar to Staedtler Norris digital (practically the same apart from branding and colour)
  • Red/maroon

Mitsubishi Pencil 9800 Digitizer pen for raytrektab, 9800 Pencil

  • No buttons
  • Sharp tip
  • Same as Hi-uni DIGITAL
  • Green

Raytrek

Stylus that comes with RT08WT

  • :vb-warning:

Raytrektab, DG-D08IWP

  • Buttons? :vb-warning:
  • End eraser

Stylus that comes with the Raytrektab DG-D10IWP2 :vb-warning:

Samsung

There are many S Pens and they will all work, so not all may be listed (especially ones that are just renames or small changes). If it is an ‘S Pen’ it is Wacom UD EMR.

Please note that the Fold S Pens (from the Fold 3 onwards) use the eraser frequency for the nib. It’s recommended that you only use Fold S Pens with the Folds.

Unknown S Pen from 2014 - optional accessory - discontinued

  • One side button
  • End eraser
  • Clip

Galaxy Book (gen 1) S Pen (EJ-PT820BBEGUJ) Also Tab S3? :vb-warning:

  • One button - acts as eraser by default
  • No end eraser
  • Clip
  • Flat (carpenter pencil) design

Galaxy Book (gen 2) S Pen(EJ-PT830BBEGUJ) Also Tab S4? :vb-warning:

  • One button - acts as eraser by default
  • End eraser
  • No clip
  • Round design
  • Tab to prevent rolling
  • Dedicated carrying case available (possibly not included if a spare/replacement and maybe only with Galaxy Book2)

:warning:S Pen Fold Edition

  • One button
  • No end eraser
  • Specifically designed for the Fold 3
  • Uses the normal end eraser frequency for the nib
  • Won’t work as expected on other devices
  • Dedicated carrying case included

S Pen Pro

  • One button
  • No end eraser
  • Switch for changing between normal EMR device and being able to use it with the Fold 3
  • USB C port (not required for normal EMR use)
  • Supercapacitor for Bluetooth
  • Dedicated carrying case included
  • Bluetooth LE
    • For Air Actions
      (Galaxy Z Fold3 5G, S21 Ultra, Note20, Note20 Ultra, Note10, Note10+, Note10+ 5G, Note10 Lite, Tab S7+, Tab S7, Tab S7 FE and Tab S6 supporting One UI 3.1 or later. S Pen Pro requires charging and pairing to use Air Actions)
    • Stylus tracking using SmartThings

S Pen Creator Edition for Galaxy (EJ-P5600SWEGEU)

  • One button
  • No end eraser
  • Thick/fat nib (about the size of the Apple Pencil nib)
  • Hard plastic nib (presumably POM)
  • Comes with nib case and changing ‘stand’
  • Magnetic - won’t fit in tablet cases (see Brad Colbow review)
  • Thicker body than S Pens from 2023ish
Brad Colbow Review

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dtj1zEbwfmg

All S Pens included in Notes from the Note 9 onwards and the S22 Ultra have Bluetooth LE and have supercapacitors to power it. Power is not required from the stylus to be used for writing/drawing and control near the display (hovering).

:vb-warning: editor’s note: will list at some point, but might require a new thread

Amazon (Kindle Scribe)

Basic Pen

  • No button
  • No end eraser
  • Magnetic

Premium Pen

  • One button
  • End eraser
  • Magnetic

Ratta (makers of Supernote)
:warning: These use ceramic nibs, so may damage displays without appropriate screen protectors. :warning:

Standard Series Pen - available

  • No buttons
  • Cap
  • Plastic body
  • Muted colour section
  • Ceramic nib - ‘NeverReplace’ — used with ‘FeelWrite soft film’ (pre-installed)

Heart of Metal Series Pen - available

  • No Buttons
  • Cap
  • Brass body
  • Wide colour selection
  • Ceramic nib - ‘NeverReplace’ — used with ‘FeelWrite soft film’ (pre-installed)

Onyx (makers of Boox)

Onyx Boox Pen

  • No buttons
  • No eraser
  • Magnetic
  • Black

Pen2 Pro

  • No buttons
  • Eraser
  • Magnetic
  • Green, blue, and black options

reMarkable

Notable for their nibs.

Marker for reMarkable 1

  • No side buttons
  • No eraser
    • Tip storage in the body for one tip*
    • reMarkable tips wear out quickly, so this may be needed
  • White
  • Round

Marker Signature for reMarkable 1

  • No side buttons
  • No eraser
  • Clip
    • Tip storage in the body for three tips*
    • reMarkable tips wear out quickly, so this may be needed
  • Black
  • Round

Marker

  • No side buttons
  • No eraser
  • Magnetic
  • No tip storage
  • Grey
  • Flat side

Marker Plus

  • No side buttons
  • Eraser
  • Magnetic
  • No tip storage
  • Black
  • Flat side

Bigme

Bigme EMR Stylus Pen

  • Three side buttons :warning:
    • Some are Bluetooth and require the pen to be charged to use.
      :vb-warning: Check if some don’t.
    • Bluetooth buttons are for device control (home, forward, back)
  • Contains integrated battery (charge not required for writing/drawing) :vb-warning: port type unknown
  • Notification LED for battery

Dell

Dell Active EMR Pen

  • No side buttons
  • End eraser
  • Hexagonal body
  • Appears to be identical to Acer, (MobiScribe and Freno - Netronix) stylus

Dell Canvas Pen - discontinued

  • Two side buttons
  • No end eraser
  • Doesn’t appear to be available anywhere
  • :warning: Apparently uses a gen 1 tip with gen 2 for the rest, so won’t calibrate properly on anything but the Dell Canvas (discontinued) :warning:

HP

HP Zbook x2 Pen - hard to get, likely discontinued

  • One side button
  • End eraser
  • Sculpted design
  • Case with tip storage available
  • Closest readily available alternative is the Wacom One pen

HP x360 11 EMR Pen with Eraser - 2EB40AA

  • No side buttons
  • End eraser
  • Clip on body
  • Tether hole on clip
  • Tether included

Montblanc

StarWalker Midnight Black ScreenWriter S - discontinued

  • :vb-warning: Buttons?
  • Cap
  • Clip (on cap)
  • EMR cartridge interchangeable with Montblanc rollerball refills

‘1st generation’ - Penabled/TabletPC

Note These will have offsets and harsh pressure curves on modern devices - some may be possible to recalibrate
This also has to do with parallax and nib type. Some may be fixable with changing nibs or modding.

Fujitsu

New Fujitsu Stylus Digitizer Pen (CP389602-04 - Wacom ID: UP-815E-78A-2) - discontinued but very common

  • Two side buttons
  • End eraser
  • Lanyard loop
  • Released with Fujitsu T5000, T900/901 and T730/731
  • Suffers from severe offset on modern devices

Toshiba

Toshiba Digitiser Pen (PA5133U-1EUC) - discontinued but still around

  • One side button? :vb-warning:
  • End eraser
  • Clip
  • from the Z10t/Z20t generation Toshiba tablets timeframe

HP

:vb-warning: TM2 stylus should probably go here :vb-warning:

Dell

Lenovo

Lenovo 41U3143 Digital Pen - discontinued

  • One side button
  • End eraser
  • Clip

Thinkpad Tablet Pen (4X80F22107) - discontinued

  • One side button
  • End eraser
  • Clip

Lenovo Yoga Book Real Pen - discontinued - available

  • No buttons
  • Cap
  • Clip (on cap)

Samsung

Early S Pens - perhaps up to and including the Note 3 (Note 4/Edge (2014) appears to be when they changed)

Samsung Electronics Slate PC Digitizer Pen (AA-DP0NE2B/US)

  • One side button
  • End eraser
  • based on UP710E

Microsoft

Pro Pen

  • One side button
  • End eraser
  • Clip
  • Magnetic side button (fits into Surface Connector on Surface Pro 1 and 2)

Axiotron (Modbook)

Modbook Pro Pen

  • Two side buttons
  • End eraser
  • Interchangeable side buttons (one or two)
  • Based on UP710E

:vb-warning: Was there a thicker version based on the UP-911E? :vb-warning:

Wacom - before they locked down their own products

Older graphics tablet pens will work too, up to and including the Intuos 2. A later Bamboo graphics tablet also has a compatible pen. Credit: Quin

UP710E - discontinued - light grey and bluey purple

  • One side button
  • End eraser
  • Possibly there’s a two button version from an Intuos 1, Wacom Graphire 4 or the like

UP-817E? :vb-warning:

  • appears to be a UP-911E but with a lanyard loop

UP-911E - discontinued - old Intuos 1 pen, light grey and bluey purple

  • Two side buttons
  • End eraser
  • Interchangeable grips
  • Interchangeable side buttons (one or two)
  • Comes with pen stand
  • Review

— From here. No confirmation of availability. —

UP-7110E

  • One side button
  • End eraser
  • Tether hole
  • Grip pen

UP-714E

  • One side button
  • End eraser
  • Clip
  • Tether hole

UP-714W

  • One side button
  • Clip
  • Tether hole
  • Drip-proof

UP-810

  • Two side buttons
  • Clip
  • Tether hole

UP-810E

  • Two sides buttons
  • End eraser
  • Tether hole

MP-102 Slim pen for mobile device

  • No side buttons
  • No tip exchange

MP-203B Slim pen for mobile device

  • One side button
    No tip exchange

Ruggedized pen

  • One side button
  • Clip
  • Tether hole

— End —

Cross

Penabled Cross Executive Pen - discontinued - very hard to find

  • One side button
  • Eraser
  • Cap or no cap
  • Clip (on cap if present - otherwise on body)

Nibs/Tips

:vb-warning: Editor’s note: this needs checking for accuracy. :vb-warning:

Nibs come in four main types:

POM - acetal

  • hard
  • best on matte (paper-like) surfaces
  • most common
  • may ‘skate’ on smooth/glossy displays - a matte screen protector will sort this out

PC/EL - possibly polycarbonate with an [u]elastomer[/u] coating

  • soft
  • best on smooth/glossy surfaces

Felt

  • soft
  • wear out quickly

Ceramic

  • very hard
  • supposedly ‘never wear out’
  • require a special screen protector (‘FeelWrite soft film’ (pre-installed))
  • currently only used by Ratta (Supernote)

The intercompatibility of nibs is all of over the place. Some may be modded by cutting them.
:rotating_light: This may lead to nibs getting stuck in styluses though. :rotating_light:

Specific nibs (compatibility may vary)

Wacom

Wacom One Standard (ACK24911Z)

  • For Wacom One Standard Pen (2023)
  • POM

Wacom One Felt (ACK24919Z)

  • For Wacom One Standard Pen (2023)

Wacom One Elastomer (EL) (ACK24918Z)

  • For Wacom One Standard Pen (2023)

LAMY

PC/EL Z105 round

  • For LAMY AL-Star EMR
  • Made for hard and smooth (glass-like) surfaces

PC/EL Z107 pointier

  • For LAMY AL-Star EMR
  • Made for hard and smooth (glass-like) surfaces

POM Z108 round

  • For LAMY AL-Star EMR
  • Made for hard and matte (paper-like) surfaces

PC/EL Z109 round

  • For LAMY safari twin pen EMR
  • Made for hard and smooth (glass-like) surfaces

reMarkable

Marker tips for reMarkable 1

  • For reMarkable 1 markers
  • Material? :vb-warning:

Marker tips for reMarkable 2

  • For reMarkable 2 markers
  • Material? :vb-warning:

Cartridges/‘Refills’

Ratta (Supernote)

  • Most amenable to modding (see mods section).
  • :warning: Ceramic tip :warning:

LAMY

  • Only available with full AL-star pen.
  • Body can be swapped out though.

Mods

These can be from simply supergluing a whole slim pen (usually an S Pen) into a pen body, to using the EMR ‘refills’/cartridges and 3D printing parts.

Currently the most popular seems to be to use the Supernote (Ratta) refill (likely due to them being the only ones to sell the refills/cartridges individually to consumers). Please check the subreddit or YouTube for guides. Here’s an important thing to start with though:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Supernote/comments/lzl3a1/how_to_safely_diy_a_supernote_pen/

‘1st gen stylus to 2nd gen stylus’ - untested - @StarllCraft from the archive

That is to trim the length of the nib and the refill, and fill the nib with thermal free resin, so that there will be no cursor offset
Moreover, I found that the IAF of ud emr 1.0 pen I used was better than that of Galaxy note 9 s-pen and onyx note 2 pen, and it also had double buttons and tail eraser

I also found the UD EMR 2.0 pen with three buttons, but it is not the original electromagnetic induction three buttons. Instead, it integrates Bluetooth buttons similar to AES / MPP for the EMR scheme


Resources

http://www.wacom.jp/jp/customercare/download/catalogue/pdf/0507_EMR_Pen_Technology_E.pdf

https://www.reddit.com/r/Supernote/comments/lzl3a1/how_to_safely_diy_a_supernote_pen/


Keywords for web crawlers if that’s how they still work.

Wacom EMR list. EMR pen list. Wacom EMR pen list. EMR stylus list. Wacom EMR stylus list. S Pen list. SPen list. S-pen list. S-Pen list. Spen list. Samsung pen list. Galaxy pen list. Pen for Samsung. Pen for Galaxy. Galaxy Note. Galaxy Pen. Galaxy Book. Galaxy Tab. Staedtler digital pencil. LAMY digital pen. ReMarkable pen. ReMarkable stylus. Supernote pen. Supernote stylus. Boox. Onyx. Amazon. Kindle Scribe. Which digital pen? Which digital stylus?


EMR is the best.


:memo: Edit notes :memo:

1st May 2022 - Created
1st May 2022 - Swapped ‘1st generation’ and ‘2nd generation’ as the newer styli are going to be of more immediate interest to people.
2nd May - Borked titles trying to make a contents list. Added link to old forum thread.
3rd May - Unborked the contents. Note: size must be outside of the heading. General cleaning up and formatting.
14th May - Updates about Supernote (Ratta) specifics and introduction added to modding section. Fixed contents links for stylus generations.
16th May - Added LAMY safari twin pen EMR. Added Cartridges/‘Refill’ section. Added specific tips/nibs.
13th December - Added new Amazon Scribe pens. Corrected how EMR works.
30th October 2023 - Added Wacom One 2023 Standard Pen and nibs, and Samsung S Pen Creator Edition. Added Kaweco and Pilot styluses. Some small updates and corrections. Added some zhuzh.
31st March 2024 - Added Staedtler Mars digital and digital jumbo, and Noris digital mini.

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Great work. Thanks for doing this.

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Np.

I’ve been thinking about it for a while, but just assumed the old thread (which I swear existed) was in the archive to cover most of it, though not the last few years.

I might start on MPP (and N-Trig) and AES in another thread (I think due to similarities they should perhaps share a thread), but if anyone else wants to start one that would be great!

In terms of this thread; it needs some tidying up and there are some Samsung pens missing for sure. And this should be another thread, but I’d really like to find that Chinese (?) user’s thread comparing some relatively recent EMR styluses and have that reposted. It was really detailed and knowledgeable.

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Any laptops that currently use Wacom EMR stylus?, besides Wacom MobileStudio Pro?

Nothing other than the Samsung Galaxy Book 2 Pro 360.

Current list of laptops with a stylus can be found here.

Most of the Wacom EMR activity is in the eReader/eNote space these days.

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Thank you.

The English translation version of the old forum WACOM EMR Stylus summarizes

The newer Chinese version of Wacom Emr Stylus Summarizes

My English level is very bad, basically only by translation software. At present, there is no time to make the latest English version of Wacom Emr Stylus Summarizes
The content of the Chinese version is relatively complete, providing links for this
If you want to buy a rare Wacom EMR handwritten pen like ZBook X2 STYLUS, there are many in China’s second -hand trading platform
[咸鱼 App Official website link]( 闲鱼 - Google Play 上的应用)

But I can’t help your purchase, because I don’t have an international shopping experience, and I don’t have so much time. You can study it yourself

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Thanks!

I have two, one that came with my zBook and another I bought from the HP store last year. Looking at it now though, the zBook stylus cost me around £80 and I can get a brand-new Wacom One stylus for £26.

Just something to consider for those looking for a more art based stylus for their tablet. Only thing though, is that I’m not sure there is a felt nib available for the Wacom One.

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I own a Wacom One stylus and can say that ZBook, Wacom Pro Pen 2, Boox and ReMarkable marker tips, all felt nibs, work with it.

As I already said on another thread, there are two things to take into account. The first one is that Wacom Pro Pen 2 felt nibs don´t work on Samsung S-Pen stylus (the ink appears before the tip touches the screen). The second one is that the stem of the Boox/Remarkable’s nibs is more flexible and it may bend, specially if you press hard when drawing with the pen tilted, and depending on you drawing style it may be a problem. I cannot say for sure but I also have the feeling that they wear faster than the HP/Wacom white felt ones.

Wacom Pro Pen 2 nibs are almost indistinguishable from the ZBook ones, only the tip has a slightly different shape, and as these, it is a pleasure to use them.

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That is really useful to know. I have a feeling it was @JoeS asking on the previous forum about felt nibs. If I can put Pro Pen 2 felt nibs into a zbook stylus or even a cheaper Wacom One stylus - then a lot of my hopes are answered for the future.

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Thanks. I’ll update the wiki when I have time (though if you can find the time, that would great!).

Don’t worry; I’ll do it next week.

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Sorry if this has already been talked about. But the ratta supernote pen doesn’t work on every emr device, right? I purchased their refill a while ago with the intention of using it on a tab s6. However after receiving it I discovered it wasn’t being detected on the tablet at all. It was the first time in my experience that a 3rd party emr pen wouldn’t work at all. I wasn’t expecting it or I wouldn’t have spent so much when a return is pretty much useless with supernote’s return policy. It worked on my mobiscribe, another pen-enabled eink tablet, so I know it’s not defective. But I don’t think I’ve ever seen this be discussed anywhere. Has anybody tried a supernote pen who could confirm this? I honestly hope I got a faulty one because I’d been really excited at the possibilities for a customizable emr refill.

Interesting.

The MobiScribe is nothing special, so I don’t see it why it wouldn’t work with a Samsung product, even with the messing about they do with drivers.

I might get a Supernote refill and test it myself. I have no interest in the ceramic nib though.

I had chalked it up to a drivers issue at the time but I’m questioning it again now. If you or anyone does get to test it out, I’d be very interested in a follow-up!

If this is still being updated…

CP92303B2Z

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Wacom One V2 or something
Appears to have 2 buttons, but who knows if samsung or wacom licensed tech can use it.

There’s just not been much happening.

The top post is a wiki, so feel free to update it yourself. Please do try and use the same format and read the guide at the top.

As for that stylus: if they have the same approach as the first Wacom One, then yes, it will be Tablet PC EMR compatible and go under ‘2nd generation’.

Fair enough. It takes someone boring as me to get excited about 25 year old tech that’s barely innovated anymore (and actually the opposite of innovation for awhile now)

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Mate/bruh…

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